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Was it safe to cross or not?

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Was it safe to cross or not? 16/04/2021 at 10:52 #138673
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TS9 Reg 2 refers but essentially:

Where are you calling from?
What are you crossing with?
How long do you need?

Are the questions that you need answers to before allowing a user to cross.

There's an open feature request in Mantis for some changes to UWCs etc, though I don't believe there's any current plans to make changes in the short term.

The best crossing users are "power users", When the signaller picks up, they'll say "Crossing at High Farm, with a car, I need 2 minutes"

"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
Last edited: 16/04/2021 at 10:54 by headshot119
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Was it safe to cross or not? 16/04/2021 at 10:54 #138674
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Soton_Speed in post 138672 said:
How common is it for users to give an estimation of the length of time to be taken to use a crossing? Is it always mandated?

Are there any plans to implement the above in SimSig? Quiet often I have not given users permission to cross for long periods of time due to the indeterminate length of time the crossing will be in use. I am sure that in the real world some users (human and animal) will have decided to take their chances...
Yes to both. Theres a request for more detailed crossing calls on mantis already.

Someone else will doubtless give a more comprehensive response but its required to check where they're crossing, whats crossing, and how long they expect to take. In real life, something quick, say 3 mins or less (I cant remember the accurate time), and not heavy or cumbersome won't receive signal protection and will just be authorised providing its safe to do so. Anything else will require protection, eg tractor with trailer, transformers, mobile caravans, flock of sheep.

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Was it safe to cross or not? 16/04/2021 at 19:04 #138704
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ambergatesm in post 138660 said:
Hempstead UWC may be quiet in real life, but on the sim it can be busy with abnormal loads, slow vehicles, herds of cows, flocks of sheep and even a gaggle of geese. I think I will play it safe in future and make them wait if a train is at Uckfield and risk the "No sign of a "b----y" train call. With regard to Late Turn's comments about the Matlock branch, there are no track circuits between Ambergate and Matlock, so the signaller will not know where the train is. The guard does report when the train arrives at Matlock, but I think it is to control. In the Derby PSB sim the progress of the train is shown in the Train list. I travelled regularly on the branch before lockdown, and although I have seen tankers in the sewage works, I haven't seen one waiting to enter.

Even if the signalman did know where a Down train was, he still couldn't provide signal protection for the crossing after it had passed because there's nothing to stop it coming back!


lazzer in post 138665 said:

"Guards of passenger trains starting from Matlock must advise the Signaller at the EMCC Derby Workstation by telephone when the train is ready to depart. Guards must also telephone the Train Delay Attributor on [REDACTED] to report information relative to arrival and departure times. If, however, the telephone has failed, the train must not be detained in order to carry out this instruction but the Signaller at the EMCC Derby Workstation must be advised of the circumstances at the first opportunity."

The big difference (relative to the instruction for Gunnislake) is that there's no requirement to approach the crossing at caution if it hasn't been possible to contact the signalman (and it wouldn't apply to non-passenger trains either). I don't think guards routinely ring the box upon arrival in reality, but they do phone the TDA to book the arrival and expected departure time.

jc92 in post 138674 said:
In real life, something quick, say 3 mins or less (I cant remember the accurate time), and not heavy or cumbersome won't receive signal protection and will just be authorised providing its safe to do so. Anything else will require protection, eg tractor with trailer, transformers, mobile caravans, flock of sheep.

There's not officially a maximum time after which signal protection must be provided. There was an attempt to define what "large or slow" actually meant, but personally I believed that it was flawed as it was based on the definitions for the same at AHBs, where of course the risks were completely different. Anything larger than a car or van with a trailer (or animals or anything with small wheels!), and I generally provided signal protection and asked them to call back.

Last edited: 16/04/2021 at 19:04 by Late Turn
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Was it safe to cross or not? 17/04/2021 at 09:16 #138717
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headshot119 in post 138673 said:

The best crossing users are "power users", When the signaller picks up, they'll say "Crossing at High Farm, with a car, I need 2 minutes"
"Three rhino to go across – 72 seconds."

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Was it safe to cross or not? 17/04/2021 at 10:29 #138718
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clive in post 138717 said:
headshot119 in post 138673 said:

The best crossing users are "power users", When the signaller picks up, they'll say "Crossing at High Farm, with a car, I need 2 minutes"
"Three rhino to go across – 72 seconds."
Notwithstanding events as they actually unfolded, the siggie could have replied "Please cross after the passage of the Class 59"...

In Zone 6, no one can hear you scream...
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